And so

2nd casa life in Spain is all about the "outdoors". In the main, houses and bars are not very big because it is an accepted fact of life that the Spanish people make use of the weather. They eat outdoors, sit outdoors and even watch the television on their patios. So what is the harm in having music outdoors. To insist that people all sit crammed in a small bar with all the doors and windows shut is total and utter stupidity. Why allow these bars to be built in the first place. Anyone with any common sense knows they are not big enough inside to make a living from. The planning of this urbanisation was not thought out in the first place. Where there are people - they want entertainment. If we had wanted a quiet life - we would have lived out in the sticks. This problem with music has been going on in the Valencian area, in different parts, for over 25 years. Its about time it was sorted. Get some of us women in there, we would sort it out.

Just what is this moaning.
I don't see any one moaning about the bars and music, I don't see any bar owners (perhaps one) getting involved with the right or wrongs. I don't see any sign of the police officer involved with the general public and staff at a bar last week apologizing for his behavior, I don't see any of the Council apologizing for the fact that they are completely ignoring the wishes of perhaps what may be the majority of the residents of La Marina Urbs. I don't see anyone in the council giving us the true numbers (If any) of the amount of people complaining realistically of noise after a realistic time, I don't see anyone who has really employed a human rights solicitor, mainly because it is a figment of someones imagination,
I could go on but it would be a waste of time, We the residents are being conned by a Council who have not got the brains to do something about this so called noise nuisance, except to blame anybody and everybody else except themselves, and at the same time try to kid us that they are the goodies.
Just everybody remember who is treating us like crap, and make sure that next May they lose that opportunity. These people were given a good position of power by us,they have on countless occasions abused that position of power. One of my favourite sayings is Abuse us once shame on you, abuse us twice shame on us for giving you the opportunity to repeat your abuse. So make it loud and clear to all of them to start looking for a new job. As always only my opinion, as I am still pissed off with things

Well Alan and Caroline it does not take any sorting out if you want Live Entertainment then you require a Licence.
To obtain this Licence the premises requires Sound Proofing.This all costs money and the smaller establishments cannot afford to do this.The only 2 sound proofed bars are Cheif O,neils and Bar Bar.
that was why a compromise was agreed with the council and Valencia but this unfortunatly did not work.

david,
You do not get the plot do you, The music license you so much love to talk about, is not in dispute, if you were to read what people are saying perhaps you could then big up O'Neills and for some reason Bar Bar.
You would of read or even heard in the past 18 months of an agreement being reached by the (big guns) Valencia and the (little revolvers) the Councillors in which if the (catapult loaders) The bar owners reached certain criteria, they would be allowed to have certain concerts (mini fiestas)OUTSIDE of there Bars at certain times as long as the council were advised in advance and issued a licence for said mini fiesta. Are you still with us david?. This I gather was quite successful many mini fiestas were held and were by and large very successful, and the fact that police were not threatening to close bars, was proof that bar owners on the whole were doing there bit. Suddenly a short while ago a bar owner was threatened by the police with a heavy fine and closure if he didn't do what the police wanted him to do, patrons in the bar were also threatened by a police officer. From that point Jeff enters the discussions, he tells us 70 complaints had been received, although he refuses to say how many people complained only that 70 unnamed complaints had been received, this is obviously not the truth but a made up story to get himself out of a hole. He then told bar owners not to be rude to the police (LOL) and that mini fiestas had been cancelled because he says so, and he is a (big Gun) so you little catapult loaders do as you are told. Even Mini Fiestas for the future had been scrubbed some as a cost to the bar owners. The only reason I can see for this ludicrous situation, Is that someone put it about that the moaners who want all music banned and everybody possibly in bed by 7pm in winter and 8pm in summer have employed a human rights solicitor (LOL again) and some people actually believe that someone has employed a human rights solicitor. So to you david, I say wake up and smell the roses, and learn some of the truth, this ongoing saga has nothing to do with licenses but everything to do with someone trying to control mine and other peoples lives, you may be soft enough for this to be done to you, but I and hopefully the majority of residents of LaMairna Urbs will not be walked over ,especially by people that we gave work to. (next May the contract for these people are up, I shouldn't think they will all be renewed.

Alan,
"completely ignoring the wishes of the vast majority of the residents of La Marina Urb." (dinosaur, note inverted commas)
Do you have a cristal ball or how do you know that the vast majority want so and so? As far as I know there has not been any referendum yet. Maybe bar-people are in that category. But I don't know. I do not have a crystal ball. Just guessing.

Hello Reindeer,
Sorry you lost me there, not sure what cristal is different to crystal, Am I meant to query why you spelt crystal differently.
Or was it that a vote hadn't been taken ,therefore I cannot say what I said, without a referendem.to prove what I said would be true. therefore to make it look correct in your eyes I have changed what I wrote earlier on this link. Hope this appeals to your sense of perfect truth, if not I am sure you will tell me, but it does prove one thing and that is you read at least part of one of my rants, which may be possibly more than some of the other readers of this forum do or don't do when they reach or don't reach part of my comment (s)

Alan,
I spelt cristal wrong just to wake you up. And it worked! I saw that in my crystall ball (a joke!)
Of course I read what you write. I can not comment if I don't read everything.
I guess the word perhaps is correct in this matter. Perhaps is as good as my guessing.

Well Alan thankyou for the long ramble but I think you do not get the point the so called moaners have the law on there side and no I am not bulling up O,Neils and Bar Bar just saying as it is.
It only needs one person to complain they have the law on there side so can get it stopped no I dont agree with this but as i said in the past that most of the complaints come from people who bought property before the consum area was built and subsequently have seen the value of there properties plummet and then they have to listen to the music.I still think that some compromise could be agreed Jeff should try to get all parties together and try to work it all out.

david,
I am not sure who hasn't got the point ,me or you or both of us.
I think you are wrong about the moaners having the Law on there side, I thought that somewhere it says that the police will visit the place making the alleged noise, then after monitoring the alleged noise, they will either take action against the alleged bar, or visit the complainant with their results and ask them to withdraw the complaint. As for the properties around Consume having depreciated the most, that is not the case. Lastly the moaners being in the consume area before the Consume area was built, Unless you have more information than anybody else, How do you know who is complaining, because I was under the impression it would not be divulged because of threats of retaliation. As usual my opinion