Sound Monitors - This could solve ALL THE PROBLEMS..............
It would appear that our local councellors are doing what they can about the sound and entertainment on the urnanisation. None of us want to end up having to sit inside of premises in the Summer months with air con on. In one particular premises that we go to down in Torrevieja in the Summer months, it is interesting to see the Manageress wandering around outside the premises where the entertainers are appearing, with her hand held sound monitor. We believe this is because they have been warned to keep the sound to a specific volume. So, I would be very intererested to know if any of the local bars and places of entertainment are going to bother to invest in one of these **Sound Monitors**? It surely would be in the interest of everybody for them to do so.
It is an unfortunate truth that no matter how good the entertainer is they are always under the impression that as the evening goes on, that they have to turn their sound volume up. Very often by this time of the evening, the bar owner is very busy and does not notice this. So, with all this in mind I have collected together 6 different versions of these Sound Metres/Sound Monitors. The price starts from 12.99 up to 339.00 (pounds), so there is no excuse whatsoever why EVERY establishment that has entertainment of any description cannot get one and use it - after all it is for the benefit of Everyone *Bar Owners* and the *Public* who wish to enjoy the entertainment.
The above investment would surely stop the very few **********MOANERS**********, plus, of course, when the Police call round, the premises can prove that they are within the sound boundaries that they are allowed !!
To view the selection of Sound Monitors click into the following link: These can be purchased on line - So this could be the end of this subject.
I would say if you introduce the black box you wont need sound monitors or police or bars. Unless they have become much more sophisticated in recent years. They had these in some bars in my home town in the UK and in the end the entertainers would not play in them because it kept blowing the fuses in the amplifiers with the rapid shut down and restart (spike) of the power. So for that reason i would go for the meter. Oh and maybe the sad & miserable people could get one to as they are so affordable or maybe the community could at the next meeting agree the expenditure for one. That is if the community know anything about this phantom.
Just curious but what are the acceptable levels for noise and from what distance? As it happens I do have a sound meter and just checking the readings, the tv from 2 metres away is between 40 - 50 Db. Shutting a door ups it to 70 Db. God knows what laughing and enjoying yourself does.
Jeff stated up here on this Forum.
Music on the Urb
The first thing about this theme is that it is very complicated. We have spoken with the Policia Local and they inform me that, normally if the sound does not exceed 90 decibels outside, there is no problem about having live music.
Just to let you know that as we are actually members of the organisation that sells the sound monitors, we have been informed this morning that somebody, after reading our posting up here, has actually now purchased one. (not that we know who). So, here we go - are any other Bar Owners or Artists going to invest in one of these essential pieces of equipment????????????????
Great bit of advertising Ian. I wonder if there people who run this bar would be willing to say the purchased this. Now there should be no problem with this bar being picked on.
If it's for your own info, you can get an app for your phone FOC.
However for commercial use I guess you would have to get a professional unit calibrated by an independant body as laid down by the valencian govening body.
I have the advanced app on my phone, if I went to bars and measured the DB limit, everyone would be shut down just by the chit chat going on in the bar let alone music.
Common sense is what this needs and by the looks of it, the bars and council will work it out.
Don't forget to come along to Bobs bar up in the grey area on Sunday 3rd june.. Ronnie solo entertaining and a BBQ is going on.
I hope they do work something out, or thanks to a few Consum bars La Marina will have nothing, everything will be shut.
I bet the next thing will be compensation, you can bet that someone will try to claim compensation for the disturbance that has been inflicted on them/noise lack of sleep that they have been forced to suffer?
Unfortunately not for me as I live to far away, however if I lived across the road from the Consum bars I might have a go, also have a good chance of winning especially if the bars are operating illegally with the Councils blessing.
Night time noise limit in Spain is lower than you think, have a read of this (copied from another forum)
As I said previously there was more noice coming from the residents gardens with loud noise and music near the consum area than bars on a number of nights last week. All should not be quick to blame the bars. Golfer how big is your wooden spoon??
It was Bobby's Bar in Quesada! We have had the bar for 2 1/2 years and have never had a problem with the police, initially we had the necessary paperwork as we thought to have live music but like everyone else found it wasnt a legal document. However, currently we have been informed that the police will only stop the music if there is a complaint made. Since we have always adhere'd to the rules - music stops at midnight, and we do not let the entertainers blast out we have not had a problem. I have purchased the digital sound level as an extra precaution to ensure that we do not annoy local residents and everyone can enjoy themselves,
Golfer as usual I read your comments,with great interest(LOL)
Even read your link,interestingly the complaint was about chairs and tables being moved outside of regulated hours.I gather you dont live in a Quad,because that appears to be a normal day noise.
Also noted you wished you lived nearer Consume as you hinted at getting compensation
for lack of sleep etc.Well really you are in the running if you are sensible enough,as i seem to remember you complaining about the guy who comes past your place at about 2am every morning shouting and waking you up ,obviously i gather you phoned the police to complain,and obviously because they didnt do enough to stop him,as I seem to remember you mentioning it a second time on here,you could be at the front of the queue,Wouldnt it be good if you actually did something yourself,and not keep on winding up other people to do it.
But until that time what is the possibility of finding something else to talk about .
You could for instance do a Tina and pre nominate yourself for the next council,even tell us what you would change about la Marina to make it a better place to be,at least we all know where you stand on bars and sound so you neednt mention them
Come on Alan, don’t be so quick to snap, keep your hair on !!!!
The remark about me moving / living nearer to the problem area around the Consum bars and claiming a few bob was posted “Tongue-in-cheek”. Please try and stop trying to read between the lines.
I found the link on another forum and ONLY posted it as it stated what the Legal noise limits where in our province in Spain ….Noise level limit is 45 decibels (dBA), even Jeff mistakenly thought it was 90 dBA according to one of his earlier posts.
If your comment was tongue in cheek,why did you certify it by putting a link on which showed that some people got compensation,regarding furniture being moved outside of permitted time.
The truth is you wanted other people to get involved,in some sort of court case,mainly because of the wooden spoon mentality you appear to have.I only remarked that really you havnt got the nerve to do it yourself,but hope you can get others to do it for you.I think that most people on this forum,are more than likely fed up to the back teeth,with our petty bickering,and they dont need it any more,so if you stop spouting rubbish,I wont have to keep rebuking you,and Hay Hoe,everybody wins.
As for the decibels debate,you read it on another forum,and automatically they must be right,because that is what you believe,and Jeff must be wrong because he thought different to you.I dont know which one is correct if either is.
My person feeling is 45decs is very quiet and in certain conditions 90decs is high.Just in case you get confused 90 is more than twice as loud as 45,or to put it another way 45 is much less than a half of 90.
Just to put the record straight I cant keep my hair on.
Do us all a favour and put a comment on here about Golf or F1,It may make better reading for everyone
Moto GP is on the box this weekend! Watch and enjoy proper racing, not silly F1 like it was last week at Monaco. And take a chill pill everyone. Enjoy life without the added stress. There's enough of that all ready.
Have a nice day yuall!
I also love Bikes (got the scars to prove it) as well as F1, also plenty of TT info on TV as well.
As for Monaco, great place to party if you have the cash, however for F1, you can see more on TV.
Hi Golfer, no scars yet but I do have a Honda CBF 1000cc but need a Spanish headlight so I can put it on Spanish plates. Do you know anywhere where I can get a cheap one?
Always try my local dealer
He may be able to get you a european headlamp. Remember the only difference is that the Euro lights just dip down, not to the left ot right
On my bike there are two reflectors and move the beam to the pavement but in Spain it shines into oncoming traffic.
Try this site site I've got a Pan and use the corresponding forum for tips and info. You may need to register to get into the forum though, link below.
Thanks for all the suggestions folks. I am registered on the cbf forum and have sourced one from Germany so will be back on the road soon!
with regard to sound control, while I do support your comments in principle, I would point out the following.
My husband is a professional entertainer in the UK and has on occasion come across venues that have built in /automated sound controls. Again he also agrees with this in principle particularly for those venues close to residential areas however, these automated systems do literally pull the plug on expensive equipment by cutting out the electricity supply to the gear and knocking the system off altogether if the sound goes above the permitted decibel count
Ok I hear you say, dont go above the permitted count, well its not that simple because often the owner of the venue or the punters as the night wares on are shouting "turn it up turn it up", or they complain to the band "its not loud enough"?
so the band, in order to suit the punters and the venue owner will try going a little louder to please all, but guess what, the automater kicks in and knocks the gear off and thats not good for expensive equipment to be on and off like that, so my hubbie tries to avoid these venues at all costs. I do accept his band uses high end equipment and lots of it so I couldnt be sure if all entertainers would be affected in the same way.
Anyway the point I make Ian is you will never please all of the people all of the time because peoples moods, needs and demands invariably change from hour to hour
As my husband rightly says, at 8pm everyone is satisfied and its all hunky dory, not too loud, meeting all the decibel criteria but come 10pm and the majority of punters are under the influence of alcohol then its a different story and theyre screaming for it louder and hes in the bad books cause it cant go any louder due to the system cut out in the venue !!!!!!
It is indeed a dilema.
good luck with it all
I do agree with you on this, however I would go one step further and insist that Automatic "black box / sound limiters" are fitted to all bars, that way ALL complaints would stop.