The Day The Music Died!!!

It is with much regret that Cagney's Bar has to inform all our loyal customers that our music on Friday and Sunday evenings has been suspended for the foreseeable future, in light of the latest farce in La Marina. We too received a visit from the town hall and were told that we had to stop our music immediately. Unfortunately the so called "moaners" have won. They have bypassed the local police and put their complaints direct to Valencia. Valencia contacted mayor Carlos a couple of days ago saying they were going to deal with the situation themselves as they are fed up that La Marina gets more complaints than anywhere else. Anyone caught with live music will have their bar closed down by the nationales. For ourselves and our regular customers who love to be entertained by quality artists it is a sad sad day. I totally agree with the name and shame idea. This handful of extremely selfish people should be ashamed of themselves. Rick and I live very close to the Consum square and we can hear the music at night but it's of no bother to us. We like to see La Marina alive.
Cagney's bar pays over 2000E a month in taxes, IVA, staff contracts & for 2 autonomos. If we are closed down that is 24,000 Euros a year less for the police and the town council. This money would have to be found by other means such as increasing everybody's suma. Can you imagine the uproar that would cause amongst the residents? There would be a hue and cry!!! So a simple message to all is STOP the denuncias as you are wrecking the urb and decreasing the value of everyone's homes as La Marina will become a ghost town. Ricky and I do not work 16 hours a day to have our livelihood ruined by people who want to be in bed by 9pm every night on a silent urb. If you don't like it MOVE!!!! Just think on.
Our sincere apologies to our regulars whose evenings have now been spoilt. We can only apologise but thank you for your continued support.
Kate & Ricky

La Marina

What a terrible shame. I suppose the other bars that have music will be copying now by cancelling all their entertainment???????

Commented QueenBee in La Marina 2012-11-02 13:41:52 UTC

I totally agree, it's a crying shame. I have heard of 3 English bars that have cancelled their entertainment for this weekend. Have the Spanish bars been informed though or does it not apply to them too?????

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-02 13:45:38 UTC

John & I are so sorry it has come to this, over the last 8 years we have been here, we have seen the Urb getting more moaners than anything else. All we can say they don´t have a GOOD LIFE. They should also be named & find out what really is there problem. We what to wish all the bars very best of luck.

Commented susan in La Marina 2012-11-02 13:57:58 UTC

It is a shame I only ask why did it have to come to this. Why didn't the council deal with everything in the correct manner. Yes these moaner by passed the local police and went straight to Valencia, the fact is the council had 3-4 months of arguing and going to bars to sort this out. They couldn't deal with it now the moaners have got what they want the national police taking charge of the bars when the council could of dealt with this some how.. Great job you have done to the Urb councillor Jeff seeing as you run the Urb.
This should of been sorted as soon as it could of.
And just to make it clear after seeing Paulino today this is purely from the complaints around the consum area and bars. That has come from his mouth a few hours back, no where else but the consum area. So all the people who were complaining o here regarding music during summer now you have got what you wanted. What's wrong with you. Instead of running to the national police why didn't you deal with your issues in a sensible way not ruin everyone else's enjoyment.

Commented Andi in La Marina 2012-11-02 14:00:49 UTC

Shame to lose the music at Cagneys,although only twice a week Sundays 6pm until 9pm and Fridays 8pm until 11.pm. Rickey and Kate did everything by the book even the moaners couldnt complain about them and the times. A great bar run by great people everything reasonably priced,you couldnt of wanted anything better for your local,but they will be hit badly,just hope it doesnt come to them closing the bar,but if it does,I say to the moaners and whingers,give us your names you are conveniently forgetting and let the real residents of La Marina tell you what we think of you

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 14:37:50 UTC

Thank you Susan & Andi for your kind words and support.
I have had a string of cancellations of bookings for tonight as there will be no music. This also has a knock on effect as it means I don't need my barman to work now but I won't let him down as he has committments, ie, rent, bills etc. If I'm not putting out as much food then the suppliers suffer with lack of orders and if I don't sell as much beer then the brewery suffers. Not to mention the artists that have been cancelled so they lose their money too. I also may as well cancel Ricky's autonomo as there is no point paying into the system when there is no money coming in from his singing! It's a sorry state of affairs but will these moaners care less how many people's lives are affected? I think the answer is not.

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-02 14:39:22 UTC

Would I be right in thinking that this site would have some information about the moaners?

When they joined they must have given an email address before they were able to post on the forum.

Just a thought

Commented Tina in La Marina 2012-11-02 14:51:59 UTC

Alan as you are possibly aware,I have always backed the Bars in this battle of to live and let live.
So many things crop up,lncluding,If the Council thought the noise problem was not under control,why did they back and even advertise,a few concerts on the Urb,in which roads were closed,stages set up outside as were speakers and microphones,these concerts were thoroughly enjoyed by the hundreds of people that came to listen.All of the above,were named by the council as being not allowedMICS:SPEAKERSOUTSIDE AREAS etc they saw how good it was for La Marina,or was it because they actually baited the moaners and groaners to make further complaints to valencia. could it be that this Council is gutless and needs the big boys to do their dirty work for them.Perhaps we could all complain to Valencia about this council trying to kill off the area,then perhaps the heavy boys could move in and clear out the council

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 15:00:52 UTC

Thank you, Alan. Rick & I are touched by your kind words. We do have a good laugh and joke with you which produces a happy atmosphere in the bar. We will continue to work through this so that the bar stays open. Thanks again and see you soon.

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-02 15:38:56 UTC

There were Haloween parties and celebrations at many bars which had live music and discos. Did any of these bars have a visit from the police? What about Serafins bar on the Strip near to the News 4 You, I believe Richie Sparks was the DJ at this Haloween party?

Sandra

Commented Sandra in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:32:22 UTC

What's going to happen on Christmas Day & New Year's Eve? Think how much money all these venues will lose up here on the urb if there is no music?

Commented Carol in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:36:15 UTC

Yes Sandra I was the Dj at this party, Your Point is?

Commented Richie in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:41:30 UTC

Instead of try to find the poeple that done the reports, try to get legal ( because what you do is against spanish LAW)and you can have as much entertainment an as you want, or do it the other way, if you have a valid Licenc in your name than apply to valencia to the Conselleria de Gobernacion for the exeption (
Normativa Área Espectáculos Públicos

Ley 14/2010, de 3 de diciembre, de la Generalitat, de Espectáculos Públicos, Actividades Recreativas y Establecimientos Públicos.) wich you can apply four times a year

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:44:41 UTC

I certainly don't want to teach bar-owner's to suck eggs, but would it not be an idea to form a working group to try to find out the facts and then deal with issues that arise.
Is there a similar problem in nearby towns for example or indeed in other similar areas within Valencia.
Is this action just being taken against British run bars or have other nationalities, including Spanish, been targeted.
For example, there is a restaurant in Guardamar that we go to occasionally. They have music most nights, not loud, but one of the posts stated bars were being closed down if they are caught with live music. Nothing about noise levels. As I've just received an email from them with there winter programme, I rather suspect that they are not aware of this latest edict!!
Jeff W. like all of us, is entitled to his holidays, but on his return, could this group not send a small deputation to see him and at least get a local council's position.
Is there a local solicitor who would be willing to act 'pro bono'.
The comments about the fiscal drag effects of this action is a superb argument to put before the local council and the Valencian government.
Even those who don't frequent the bars a lot, do occasionally want some entertainment when they go out.
If there are complaints, then surely the bars are entitled to know who is complaining. As has been said, one person making 50 complaints does not carry the same weight as 50 different households making a single complaint.
The local bars are of course in friendly competition, but on this matter it's 'united we stand, divided we fall'.
Whatever you all decide to do, I wish you well in your efforts.

Commented David in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:45:47 UTC

@ David the problem is that having just a Bar or Restaurant Licenc dont allow you to have Karaoke, Live Musik or Quiz thats why i said "get a Karaoke-Pub Licencia" and you can have entertainment on and stay open longer. I know from a friend in the Police that nearly 75% of reports coming from other bars

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 16:54:56 UTC

If I understand correctly it is the bars without a licence for music that are targeted, is this correct?

Commented jaytee in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:06:24 UTC

@Jaytee in Urb La Marina are only 3 Bars that have an Karaoke-Pub Licencia, which are DosMas, Poppys and Chief o´neils, so every other bar that has Karaoke or Live musik or what ever on is doing this against valid Spanish Law. And Carlos (MAYOR) tryed to explain the situation to bar owners when he has done the Meeting, and also that the bars have to stop to report each other, because Town Hall and Local Police comes only if some reports noise,

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:18:46 UTC

Music licences seem to be a very grey area in Spain. Do they even exist? I'm struggling to get a straight answer out of my solicitor. Isn't it time that Spain looked into this issue and informed the bars in black & white, especially since tourism is Spain's biggest form of income. Tourists need entertaining so let us buy an entertainment licence at a not too ridiculous price. Give us set finishing hours. Give is decibel levels. Everything is so wishy washy, how are we supposed to know right from wrong?

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:19:56 UTC

Nicon is speaking the truth. So he knows what's going on or how things happen seeing as his the first person ever on this forum I mention the only bars who are legal for music.

Commented Andi in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:20:55 UTC

Music Licenc is not a grey area, and and why do they have to inform you, you want something ( a music licencia for example) you just have to find the right person to deal with this. And the Laws are written down in black and white and everyone can read them www.boe.es
All you need is a good Arquitect and not a solicitor, because the arquitect is dealing with this things

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:26:55 UTC

Surely if Bars and Restuarants have Licences and all there Paper work in order, then they wont have any problems...

Commented Poppy in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:30:46 UTC

Thats true Poppys, but the problem is they havent, i know so many bars that havent set up there workers or they got only 5 hour contracts but working 40hours

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:31:20 UTC

I do not go to bars where live music is playing, this is not my thing ,however I think it is very sad that "moaners" have put pressure on local council to withdraw music licenses. Lively bars and restaurants, street cafes and entertainment, are part of costal towns culture. Why don't these people go an live in isloation, rather than stop other people enjoying themselves!! or better still stay in their own countries. I hope the authorities see sense and that once again music can be played in bars, restaurants and other venues .. Good luck trestauarnats,

Commented info in Catral 2012-11-02 17:35:20 UTC

@ Catral, the townhall did not withdraw Music Licenses, they never applied for them, and like i said 75% of the moaners are other bars

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:39:07 UTC

nicon 0815,Having just been got on to the web site you advised,I find it difficult to find the link I require from all the options given,could you please explain which articles to click on, to actually get to the legislation that deals with music in Bars and Restaurants.It could save me lots of time to find the right legislation to click onto.

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:39:46 UTC

Poppy,what you say is the obvious.
But it was said in this Forum,by a Councillor,that if a resident complains to the Police about a noisy bar,the police will visit the Bar and if they think it isnt noisy,they will visit the complainent and ask them to retract their complaint,if they refuse to retract the police will visit the bar and ask them to turn down the music.
It would appear that this would only happen if the bar had a music license,because if they didnt have one then surely the police would of shut off the music immediately at the least.So if this Councillor was stating a fact,a bar with a license could still be askedc to turn down the music,even if none is playing on the whim of any resident

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:56:12 UTC

@ Alan, i know its dificult to find thats why i said get in contact with an arquitect, or go on monday to the Town Hall Second Floor and an appointment with the townhall arquitect Juan Carlos or one of the other 2

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 17:59:11 UTC

@ Alan here are a couple laws
Orden 15/2010, de 23 de diciembre
Normas estatales:
 Real Decreto 173/2010. 19/02/2010. Ministerio de la Vivienda.
Se modifica el Código Técnico de la Edificación, aprobado por el Real Decreto
314/2006, de 17 de marzo, en materia de accesibilidad y no discriminación de las
personas con discapacidad. (DBSUA)
 Ley 42/2010. 30/12/2010. Jefatura del Estado.
Medidas sanitarias frente al tabaquismo y reguladora de la venta, el suministro, el
consumo y la publicidad de los productos del tabaco.
 Ley 28/2005. 26/12/2005. Jefatura del Estado.
Medidas sanitarias frente al tabaquismo y reguladora de la venta, el suministro, el
consumo y la publicidad de los productos del tabaco.
 Ley 16/2002. 01/07/2002. Jefatura del Estado.
Prevención y control integrados de la contaminación.
 Real Decreto 3484/2000. 29/12/2000. Presidencia de Gobierno.
Normas de higiene para la elaboración, distribución y comercio de comidas
preparadas.
 Circular. 11/05/1984. Ministerio del Interior.
Criterios interpretativos para la aplicación del Reglamento General de Policía de
Espectáculos Públicos y Actividades Recreativas.
 Real Decreto 2816/1982. 27/08/1982. Ministerio del Interior.
Reglamento General de Policía de Espectáculos Públicos y Actividades
Recreativas.
Normas autonómicas:
 Ley 14/2010. 03/12/2010. Presidencia de la Generalidad Valenciana
Ley de Espectáculos Públicos, Actividades Recreativas y Establecimientos
Públicos.
 Decreto 54/2010. 31/03/2010. Conselleria de Turismo.
Modifica el Decreto 7/2009, de 9 de enero, regulador de los establecimientos de
restauración de la Comunitat Valenciana.
 Decreto 52/2010. 26/03/2010. Conselleria de Gobernación.
Reglamento de desarrollo de la Ley 4/2003, de 26 de febrero, de la Generalitat, de
Espectáculos Públicos, Actividades Recreativas y Establecimientos públicos.
 Decreto 7/2009. 09/01/2009. Conselleria de Trabajo y Asuntos Sociales.
Decreto regulador de los establecimientos de restauración de la Comunitat
Valenciana.
 Ley 2/2006. 05/05/2006. Presidencia de la Generalidad Valenciana.
Prevención de la Contaminación y Calidad Ambiental.
 Decreto 53/2006. 21/04/2006. Conselleria de Sanidad y (Seguridad Social).
Medidas sanitarias frente al tabaquismo y reguladora de la venta, el suministro, el
consumo y la publicidad de los productos del tabaco.
 Orden. 25/05/2004. Conselleria de Infraestructuras y Transporte.
Accesibilidad en la edificación de pública concurrencia.
 Decreto 39/2004. 05/03/2004. Generalitat Valenciana
Desarrolla el Decreto 39/2004, de 5 de marzo, en materia de accesibilidad en la
edificación de pública concurrencia.
 Decreto 54/1990. 26/03/1990. Conselleria de Administración Pública.
Nomenclator de Actividades Molestas, Insalubres, Nocivas y Peligrosas, en la
Comunidad Valenciana
 Orden. 07/07/1983. Presidencia de la Generalidad Valenciana.
Redacción de proyectos técnicos que acompañan a en la Comunidad Valenciana.
 Orden. 10/01/1983. Conselleria de Administración Pública.
Actividades molestas, insalubres, nocivas y peligrosas, en la Comunidad
Valenciana.

this is just a little selection of Laws for Bars ...... i just googled

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 18:15:13 UTC

Ritchie,
The question in my post was quite clear, which you have not answered. As you were the entertainer contracted to perform at Serafins bar on Haloween night did you get a visit from the local police or the national police?

Commented Sandra in La Marina 2012-11-02 18:20:28 UTC

nicon0815
In my mind,I was beginning to believe what you said in your comments,I thought this person has got information even the council wont divulge,
i.e.the three bars that supposedly the only ones with licences for music,I have ask the council who they were,as personally if they were half decent places,they would be the ones to visit.also how many bars had complained against other bars,you state that you had a policeman friend who stated 75% of complaints were from bar against bar.
My problem is firstly you are new to this forum,and it is strange that everytime the bar problem crops up a few new names crop up almost to a person they are against bars,once the bar problem fades so do they,never to put a comment on here again.
You actually seemed different,you firstly appear to be Spanish,(unusual on this forum).
You are giving me information which the council refused to give me.
Moving. onto the bar against bar.When I asked the Council earlier this year that of the 70 complaints received by Valencia how many were from different people (not repetitious complaints from the same few people) and how many were from bar owners.that didnt answer any of my questions.
you have deemed 75% if that had stayed constant it means about 50 complaints were bar on bar complaints,therefore about 20 were resident on bar complaints.
Would it be possible for you to break down these figures further by finding out how many residents complained and how many bar owners complained.
For the first time,if the stats stand up you may of caused me to rethink my strategy on who to support.

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 18:23:52 UTC

@ Alan, no i cant tell you because my friend has done me a favor today telling me this, and i dont want him to get problems. For anything else i try to help, and i am not Spanish ^^

Commented nicon0815 in La Marina 2012-11-02 18:31:18 UTC

nicon0815
Thanks for your advice on talking to an architect.`
But my only interest in this is purely that i am a resident of La Marina Urb.I do not own a bar or restaurant,i am retired and as a fact i am not allowed alcohol due to medication i am on.But I enjoy living here and i enjoy my life here,I also like to hear other people enjoying themselves.My main reason for asking questions and making comments is that we are never too old to learn something new, Also thanks for your reply about the information I asked for.I respect your telling us what you have,and would never ask you to put someone into possible trouble,through trying to be helpful.Surprised you are not Spanish,some words you use are much the same as when Spanish people talk to me in English

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-02 18:31:49 UTC

I think it's time all bar owners stood together on this subject and also incorporated all their patrons who enjoy a good night out with live music,karaokey,bingo and quizzes to sign some kind of petition and send one copy of it to the local council and another copy of it to the valencian government,...(if every one stands together , instead of bars stabbing other bars in their back and other people rumour mongering) surley they would have to take notice,...i was in cagneys yesterday afternoon and the mood was rather sombre,..but what can be expected? good people like ricky and kate don't want their bar, business and lively hood taken away from them just because of a few idiotic anus's keep making regular complaints,...godsake before we know it, we won't even be able to fart outside,...SO COME ON RESIDENTS OF LA MARINA, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED before it's too late!!!! support your local bars get the petition ball rolling,...what have you got to lose? if you do nothing,...your local will disappear anyway along with your dreams of living a life in spain.

Commented dragardian in Alicante 2012-11-03 07:16:46 UTC

Your missing the point. The councillor for the Urb warned the bars to curb the noise to take measures to stop loud music. He even stated the local police would deal with things of they got out of hand. Well he completely Bodged it up again.
The fact is you can't please everyone. Personally I have no problem with the music but if you are warned and warned by the local council to sort it out then take there advice and deal with it.
Like councillor Paulino said yesterday these complaints have all come from the consum area, no where else.
What can you do, either play the game correct or don't play at all. The moaners have moaned to Valencia now so the local council didn't take responsibility so now the national police will.

Commented Andi in La Marina 2012-11-03 07:27:38 UTC

I understand what you are saying andi,..but surley the bars that are having the complaints put in about them should sort their own problems out,...most bars that i frequent are realistic with the amounts of noise they or their artists are emitting, so why should they be tared with the same brush as the offending ones?
As for consum area from what has been said to me, is that the majority of complaints are generated by the bar owners them selves, we have all read on here only too much about Los Amigo's and his antics with rojo's,..when just recently he should be the last person to complain about anything and feel lucky he has any custom at all. But bars grassing on other bars does nothing but Exacerbate an already bad situation.

Commented dragardian in Alicante 2012-11-03 08:18:31 UTC

Yup that's true. When you have at least 10-12 bars in 6 metres walking distance of each other of course there going to tell on each other and as for Los amigos well that bar lives in another world.

Commented Andi in La Marina 2012-11-03 08:22:02 UTC

Thank you for the information nicon. So why havn't the other bars got their licence? it is not as if they havn't been warned. But if the local authorities had been more insistent that bars had a licence for music this situation might not have happened.

Commented jaytee in La Marina 2012-11-03 10:10:14 UTC

Jaytee

For once we agree. The council had the chance to stop it getting to this. The council warned all the bars and if they were more forceful on the issue then like you say maybe we wouldn't be where we are now

Commented Andi in La Marina 2012-11-03 10:13:20 UTC

Licence or no licence would it stop the moaners??? As I said previously we have not had one single complaint from the public. When we have music on the Spanish sit outside their houses in deckchairs and listen. During the summer the police vistited the houses closest to our bar and asked the residents if Cagney's music bothered them. They all replied no because we finish early out of respect and more often than not they are in the bar listening. It disappoints me when I read what Draguardian has said about being in the bar yesterday and the mood being sombre. We try to run a happy bar with lots of banter and joking. Sorry if we were a little low we don't like being that way but sometimes things drag you down.

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-03 11:34:46 UTC

Sorry if my comments caused any offence Kate,...that was never what my comment intended,...it was just trying to point out that all this messing about with peoples livelyhoods is seriously getting people down, as your above comment has stated,..and when good businesses like yours are having to cancel acts/events through no fault of your own,..i know that you both are always happy and joking with customers, but yesterday having to cancel your evening entertainment and possibly any other future entertainment its bound to have put you more than a little down,...it would me.
Apologies once again if you feel that i offended you,...but these circumstances regarding bars around the urb are doing no good what so ever to anybody.

Commented dragardian in Alicante 2012-11-03 12:10:19 UTC

Hey, no offence was taken in the slightest so absolutely no apology required. A person's mood can be infectious be it good or bad and the last thing Rick & I want is to be down and it rub off on someone else. We still feel frustrated over this whole situation but as I posted earlier we are going to try the Everlys acoustic style Sunday at 6pm. Should inject a bit of fun back into the bar. See you soon and again please don't worry as I think my posting didn't come across correctly.

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-03 12:34:14 UTC

Great news Kate,The Everlys acoustic style,sounds like it may be fun,It is good to see that you are not bowing down to the witch hunt,
Surely a great time for all you people who want music on the Urb to turn up at Cagneys tomorrow evening,6pm start for three hours of music,fun,and good priced drinks,or better still get their a bit earlier and book to have one of Kates delicious pub dinners .
Hope to see a crowded pub tomorrow.
Let us show the supposed powers that be that we want music on the Urb. and not a town where the only place to be is asleep

Commented Alan in La Marina 2012-11-03 13:18:16 UTC

Who needs to advertise when we have fantastic customers like you Alan!!! Thank you so much for such a lovely write up. We enjoy your company in the bar. See you both again soon.

Commented cagneys in La Marina 2012-11-03 13:59:34 UTC

Commenting on the bars with the appropriate licences. The most trouble we have on the Urb is about 4 or 5 a.m. when
the idiots leave "Poppies". No one mentions this, I wonder why? Back in the summer setting fire to bins and a car. The Police are aware of this as they were called out and were running round like headless chickens trying to extinguish the fires. I know the Police are here to uphold the law but surely a little helping hand in the right direction would solve all the problems and get people's licensing needs sorted out. Instead they seem to barge in and that is it. it is about time the Valencian government made up their minds what they want from people. This farce about music has been going on for about 30 yrs as I know of. Wars get sorted out quicker. If they were to stipulate quite clearly what is law and what is not then we could all carry on with our lives and enjoy it out here. Why let a few people run the region. La marina is supposed to be classed as a tourist area and because of this, correct me if I am wrong, we get our Suma cheaper. What is the point in these moaners moving onto the Urb if they don't like to hear any music. Would you live by the railway lines if you could not stand the noise of trains. I think the local councillors should have a meeting with all the bar owners or moaners, as the case may be, and try to find a solution to this mess before we all start suffering from senile dementia from lack of stimulation.

Commented Caroline in La Marina 2012-11-03 14:09:47 UTC

If 75% of complaints come from other bar owners, wouldn't it be fair to name them nicon0815, so that we would know who to avoid.

Commented Josie in La Marina 2012-11-03 17:03:25 UTC

What a shame. Do these few stupid people want to see La Marina dead. On the other had Reading all the comments I was very surprised to learn that only three bars hold offical liciences, if they can get them why cannot the rest of the the bars do the same. There must be a way forward.

Commented mazza in La Marina 2012-11-03 22:08:04 UTC

ANDI I THINK U SHOULD VISIT LOS AMIGOES, GREAT FOOD. GOOD FUN. PLEASE CHECK YOUR ALLEGATIONS ABOUT REPORTING ABOUT ANOTHER BAR. I WAS IN LOS AMIGOES ON SAID NIGHT. NOTHING CAME FROM THERE.
I HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH LOS AMIGOES. JUST A HAPPY CUSTOMER, YES I DO LOVE LIVE MUSIC.

Commented phipper16 in La Marina 2012-11-04 09:18:30 UTC

DRAGARDIAN. PERHAPS U SHOULD VISIT LOS AMIGOES & TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE & GET THE FACTS NOT LISTEN TO LA MARINA WHISPERS OR ARE U ONE OF THEM. I HOPE U NEVER COME DOWN WITH A SERIOUS ILLNESS IN YOUR LIFE.

Commented phipper16 in La Marina 2012-11-04 09:52:49 UTC

What has live music got to do with illness, Phipper.

Commented Caroline in La Marina 2012-11-04 11:44:30 UTC

@ phipper16, what the hell has a serious illness got to do with music being played on the urb?,...and what do you mean by the term serious illness? unless being a compulsive liar is deemed as being seriously ill? what you saying has nothing to do with this discussion that was about music on the urb.....and please get your facts sorted, the guy that runs los amigo's whatever his name is, is a compulsive liar and a devious manipulater,...i'm not going to waste any more of my time talking about that sick individual.

Commented dragardian in Alicante 2012-11-04 12:10:23 UTC

dragardian.
just check your facts. the police lied about it at time.

Commented phipper16 in La Marina 2012-11-05 06:17:13 UTC

^^ Please start a new thread,...this one is about music on the urb,...not to promote Los Amigo's

Commented dragardian in Alicante 2012-11-05 09:03:22 UTC

Kate and Ricki we support you, and all our local bars, in every way, if there is anything we can do please let us know. We have both had property in Spain since 1986 and have never heard of such problems. Spain is well known as a great country for enjoying ones self in. So sorry to hear that a few people are making it a misery for some many others. La Marina was built and sold as an area for expats from all over Europe, many people were also encouraqed to buy holiday homes here. When on holiday people expect to visit local bars who have entertainment. The future looks very sad, as more and more people will be putting their properties up for sale and move to an area or country where people can enjoy themselves, at a resonable cost. We know all you bar owners work very hard, without a break, to give residents and holiday makers a good time at a reasonable price. Would hate to see La Marina as a ghost town. Spain needs people to come here from Europe to spend their money, in order to survive. Maybe those who do not agree should move away into the hills, before La Marina becomes desolate. We are both pensioners and most of our friends also fall into this age group, but we enjoy the entertainment, which always finishes at a reasonable hour.

Commented heather19471 in La Marina 2012-11-07 11:49:35 UTC

I think Los amigos is a lovely friendly helpful bar so nice to have a drink there

Commented Shirley2mills in La Marina 2012-11-07 12:06:56 UTC

Shirley have you got an in-built radar system, only I have walked by there on several occasions only to find it all closed up. They do not seem to have any set opening hours. How are people supposed to savour this friendly atmosphere if it is always closed?

Commented violet in San Fulgencio 2012-11-07 13:02:35 UTC

^^...lol adam, save yourself the shoe leather. If they can't be bothered to open the door, then get yourself to another bar that wants your custom,...Before some one starts giving me an ear bashing for slating amigo's,...i am not against the bar at all,..i know they do very good food,so i have been told (franchised kitchen, well done jack and georgia), it's a nice big bar,...the place itself is great, the only downfall of the place is the inept landlord, i have not used the bar for months and not in any rush to go back unless it's taken over by some one with at least half a brain,....I mean,...who in their right mind would ram a large drinking straw in the shape of a penis into the face of an 80 year old woman,...i could go on,..the list is endless and it only gets worse!!!!!!

Commented theiostprophet in La Marina 2012-11-08 06:47:40 UTC

Please tell more, the area needs a few crackpots to keep it going/fit in with the rest

Commented 2nd Casa in La Marina 2012-11-08 11:50:40 UTC

3 times I have tried to post to this comment and it will not let me.

Commented violet in San Fulgencio 2012-11-08 14:39:12 UTC

I was at Serafin's on Halloween and, no, no police arrived but the music could not be heard from outside and I know for a fact that Halloween parties were held at other bars on the urb that night with no problems too. Seems unfair to single Richie out!

Commented angiesayers27 in La Marina 2012-11-08 14:42:42 UTC

Apparently someone on the Urb had A SISTER WHO DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND THEY WENT DOWN TO THE BEACH AND THREW ROSE PETALS IN THE SEA. THE SAID SISTER IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL. THIS URB NEEDS A FEW COMEDIANS THEY DON'T NEED MICS. IF THIS DOES NOT POST THIS TIME I WILL THINK THERE IS A GREMLIN IN MY COMPUTER.

Commented violet in San Fulgencio 2012-11-08 14:43:14 UTC

Adam, if you shout loud enough, it gets through, you will have to use CAPS from now on.

Commented Robert in La Marina 2012-11-08 19:28:57 UTC

These people are just pure selfish,they don't have anything else to do in there sad life.
Just ruin it for everbody else,away and live in the country you sad people!!

Commented mgilfedder7 in Los Balcones 2013-08-04 22:16:04 UTC