Where do we sign, come everyone get behind this,it may just help give the area a boast and shut the moaners up as it will try to keep things in check but they dont want that do they

I fully concur,whilst about it, couldn't The Association of Community Presidents of San Fulgencio and La Marina include a note to Valencia about the " Bomb Site " called Oasis.

Hi Robert
If you are on a community, tell your President to contact me with the details and we can bring it up at a future meeting.

well stated Tommy,I had asked in an earlier link for the Council to back business in La Marina,this is possibly the start of them doing that.Nothing asked for is unreasonable,and the fact that La Marina will be slowly stifled and become a waste land unless some one starts to maket these hard and fast rules.
So lets get behind this petition and request,make sure you go into a bar or restaurant and sign in favour of this request.
If seventy complaints to Valencia,caused this Council and bar owners so much hassle as happened in the last twelve monthe,imagine what hundreds of signatures to valencia will do.If they do nothing we know it is Valencia who want to kill La Marina Urb and not the Council or a few thoughtless residents

I sugested collecting signatures from local residents a few months ago on this forum and getting them posted to Valencia,..nice to see something being done now,as there was very little interest when i sugested it,..although i wonder if Valencia will take any notice of it (I hope they do!!) when they realise that there are more names on the petition, than actually on the local padron,... 80/

At long last it looks like a little common sense is going to be installed. Hope every one gets well and truly behind this and do not leave it to late, get stuck in, support this action and spread the word.
Well done Tommy, about time the silent majority got a proper voice!!!

Tommy,
Well done by all of you Presidents, however, I must ask why you must think for our elected councillors.
They should have taken this type of initiative themselves especially when you consider the vast salaries these people are earning?

Typical not one of the bar owners who advertise on here have replied to this. I think that they should have done something about this and not left it to others to try to save there business.Not unless they think shut a few more bars down and we will increase or trade.

Tommy, I have to agree with friendlyviking on this issue. Why has it taken all these years and a group of community citizens to come up with this proposal. So Carlos Ramirez, Jeff Wiszniewski and Paulino Herrero like your proposal, perhaps they are paying lip service to you. Each one of them has personal assistants and legal advisers that are paid high salaries to  ADVISE. The Mayor ( who I believe lives in Alicante) and his councillors must also know and be able to contact other local government politicians in other municipalities and get ADVICE from them!  Why have they not come up with a solution and proposal for a General Entertainment Licence themselves and sent it to Valencia long ago! 
You stated in your post that the Town Hall is fully behind this. Can you please advise us the date that the written proposal was sent to Valencia and was it sent with a written endorsement from Mayor Ramirez, the local police chief and the urbanisation councillors?

Tommy and the presidents are doing a job that should of been done by the Council,We dont know what the Council have or have not tried,albeit Valencia only butted in after receiving 70 complaints from residents (and or bar owners)My opinion is that if Valencia panic over 70 complaints (many from the same people)what will they do with many hundreds,of residents telling them what we want.
The only problems i see at the moment will be the very few bars that have licenses until about 4 am.Also what will be the sore point will be what is agreeable noise level,this level must be reasonable,as customers sitting outside on a summers evening would still want to hear the music,So it must be that the music must have a decibel limit that is satifactory to all concerned, and the Local Police must warn complainers who moan about the least amount of noise that they are guilty of wasting police time,and by that they are threatening our safety,by taking the police away from what we pay them to do(protecting the public and their property),to attend to noise complaints from thoughtless people.
I dont know if valencia will give a second thought to what amounts to a petition for sanity,but unless we try to do something,nothing will ever be done and La Marina Urb will slip into oblvion as will we,when our houses end up being worth nothing,because no one would want to live here

Hi Roger
The written proposal has only just been completed, in English and Spanish, and it will be sent to Valencia, via the Town Hall, once we have all the sheets back, hopefully with lots of signatures. I am hoping we can have this done by mid February, then I will speak with the Town Hall.
We need to look at this in a positive way and hope we can get something done to try and get La Marina back on its feet.

I have just read Tommy's posting about introducing a by- law for entertainment in the bars in La Marina, although I had heard prior to to this that Tom was planning to have a meeting with Mayor Carlos. I agree wholeheartedly with what has been done from two angles, firstly as a bar owner that has weekly entertainment and secondly as a resident on the urb who wants to go to a bar with entertainment in my time off.
I definitely want to be involved with this but have felt that any previous dealings with this situation have been like banging my head on a brick wall. I certainly do not wish to see the demise of other bars on the urb as good business sense involves healthy competition not bitter rivalry. The latter being a waste of good time and effort that should be put into your own business. We work along with other bars on the urb, ie. The Hillside, Monty's Bar, The Woodstock, Final Whistle, Bar Stop and Temptations and know that if we are short on stock we can call on any of these bars anytime for help as they do likewise from us. We are saddened that the urb has lost businesses this year, particularly AJ's which was a favourite of ours for breakfast. And we are sad to see so many of our regular customers going back to the UK. All of this does not help the urb and it's economy.
We will obtain as many signatures as is necessary here at Cagney's and keep our fingers crossed that a solution can be arrived at to put an end to this ongoing problem.
Good luck, Tommy and thank you for all your efforts on everyone's behalf.
Long live the entertainment!!!!

Hi Cagneys. Thanks for your support. I will call in tomorrow with the papers for you. I totally agree that we should all be helping each other. By the way I have just heard that Dreams Bar, and the German bar just along from there, is closing this weekend. If this is true, that is another 2 businesses gone, and more people out of work.

about time someone did something about the urb, it is so sad that somewhere so beautiful is dying

I agree to this so sad the urb is dying

Hi Tommy,

I'm sure that Paul and Jan from "The Hogs Head" would willing support this excellent initiative, but unfortunately they are on their annual holiday at the moment. However, if you drop the form off at the bar, Anna and myself will see what we can do, in their absence. The opening hours are a bit different to usual, whilst they are away, but if you call in after midday over the weekend, or after 5pm (Mon, Tues & Fri of next week) one of us will be there.

Many thanks
Peter

Hi Peter
I will call in tomorrow afternoon and give you all the papers. Thanks for your support.

Great start to trying to save the urb from a few selfish & un-caring people. My wife Susan & I will support your petition whole-heartedly. The few remaining bars here on the Urb. are having the toughest time yet just trying to pay the bills & keep a few people employed. We also agree with Ricky at Cagneys that we will stick together & try to promote tourism to return to La Marina & not lose these welcome visitors & holiday-makers to the surrounding areas. We need them here & if common sense is adhered to, we can see some light at the end of the tunnel. We are open Tuesday to Saturday & hope you can let us sign this form.
Alan Anders... Temptations Bar

Hi Alan
I will call in tomorrow afternoon and give you all the details.

I think that most of us would be most interested in knowing the Bars that are not taking part? As I have noticed that a couple of the better known names have not appeared up here?
Was told last night by Fred at Hillside that they had already filled up over 3 pages.
PLEASE DO SIGN UP IT'S UP TO ALL OF US ON THE URBANISATION TO TAKE PART.

We at La Luz fully back this so would appreciate if you could drop the papers off to us too, many thanks :)

Hi La Luz
If you call in to Hogs Head and see Peter, and then maybe you can copy his papers. If not, let me know, and I will drop some off for you. Thanks for your support

A few people have asked me about NIE numbers going with the signatures. I thought about this, but hopefully, as we are not producing legal documents, we should not need them. Also, a lot of people don't like giving out their NIE numbers. I hope we don't need them, but then again, you never know here. Let's see how we go.

Tommy, I remember being told a couple of years ago when I was asked to sign a petition that without an NIE number a petition is useless and will be completely ignored by the Spanish authorities. Has this rule changed?

Petition? What petition?
I have been in 5 bars during the last 48 hours and I have not seen or been offered the opportunity to sign any petition.
Hopefully this is not yet another half hearted effort on this Urb?

Friendlyviking, you don't sound very friendly to me. If you think this a hearthearted effort, then you don't know me. I myself have been round to 8 bars with all the papers. If you read the posts above, you will see where I have been. Unfortunately, I can only be in one place at a time, and I am doing my best. I received 3 full sheets today from the Hillside, which is 150 names.
Sue, I have not heard anything about that, but I will check on Monday, and I will let you know as soon as I find out.

Tommy, I too believe that a valid petition in Spain must have the full name, NIE number and signature of every person that signs the petition! 
As this a very important concern for so many bar owners and their customers surely it must be done properly and completed correctly if it is going to have any effect! Did you receive any advice from the Town Hall about what is and is not a valid petition in Spain? 

Tommy,
Of course I am friendly,
I only would like to see this petition completed and sent to Valencia asap.
I assume, rightly or wrongly that since this initiative was taken by "The Presidents Group" that you are not alone as you have suggested and that "it is all hands to the pump" from your Presidential Collegues?

Hi everyone
I have spoken to Paulino about the NIE numbers and he says that it would be better with the NIE as it makes it more formal, so if you have sheets already done, please try and ask the same people if they will put their NIE number on it too. If anyone has a Spanish driving licence, their NIE number is on there.
I am sorry about this, I should have done this from the outset.

Tommy,
Earlier today I tracked down the petition in that well known pub called The Newsagents on the strip.
Signed but regretably no NIE number!
Should I sign again?

I think its a great idea and id like to thank the people doing this for their hard work. Bars are struggling and as a couple who have just started, we have put all our money into getting underway and thank the people who have given us fantastic support (inc other bar owners) over the last few months. As far as us doing something for ourselves as one coment was made. We both work 12 to 16 hours every day to pay our bills, rent etc. Bar owners have little or no time to do anything else apart from try and stay in business. As for no bar owners comenting on here,,,, Maybe they are runnning their bars. But Thankyou for your efforts and Thankyou to all the people who use LOCAL bars and restaurants in La Marina, I for one dont want to see anymore closed, If you think we do then you really dont have much business knowledge.

Jetscapes,
I think that there is some missconception in here that "everyone" in La Marina reads these comments on a daily basis.
Judging by the numbers of contributors very few people use this site, I believe.
In my own circle of friends only a couple use this site to promote their businesses and others rely on word of mouth in the bar etc. on any interesting comment.
I agree that few of the bar owners I know have time to come in here and comment.

I agree with friendlyviking,this sight is not as popular,as it thought to be.
I will say it may have many lurkers,(people who may read the comments but never reply to any)
It also has many adverts,some posing as comments and others clearly advertising,I have also noticed recently,what seems to be a comment in praise of a business and the comments added by supposedly customers of that business,going over the top in praise,I know some of these are true,but more and more seem to be an advert,with a group of people praising that comment,just to make the advert seem good.
Also it has many names that appear on one comment only just to wind people up and therefore add to the replies.
Although I like to put my thoughts on here,I am becoming disillusioned at times,as to what is actually appearing.
My opinion on the bar problem,is it will not get far if kept to this forum,but needs letters in the local papers to get things moving,Without the whole general public having access to what is happening on La Marina nothing will ever be done to stop the downhill movement that this Urb.is on

Alan,
I think also it would be of tremendoes support if our politicians and their support teams got off their fat backsides and became pro-active in this matter rather of walking backwards and forwards to the bank to pay in their fat salaries!

Tom, I understand that Valencia may need to have signatures backed up by an nie number but we have many customers who are regular holiday makers, without nie nos and want to sign our form in support of the entertainment on the urb. Surely the holiday makers are as important as the residents as they make a large contribution to the annual takings which in turn assists the economy. Can we take these signatures?

Hi Alan
You must have read my mind, as I have arranged a meeting with Gemma from The Leader, to get this in the press. The response has been brilliant up to now, so we need to keep the momentum going. Let's hope all the work will be worth it, and we can get La Marina going again.

Hi Cagney's
Every signature is important, so Yes, get as many as you can. If you can get NIE numbers, then fine. Thanks for your help and support.

Brill,thanks Tom, will do.

you are doing a fantastic job Tommy, we will succeed if we all do our bit, thank you Tommy

Kate, any petitions that I have seen here in Spain required NIE or Passport No.

I for one think that everyones opinion is important, holiday or resident. its good that the area is doing well. Ive not been here long but people do tell me that the area is not a busy as it used to be. But even the town in the UK i came from was not as busy as it used to be, so its not just here. Think anything that people can do is fantastic and its good that people care. If we can do anything then we will. As far as the sire goes, i think its a fantastic site and has helped us gain some custome. Any coments paid back to us (good or bad) def come from customers. We dont really do live music but i hope this summer the bars that do , like cagneys are left in peace to get on and provide the service to all people that they do.

TOMMY - Could you please let us have you Tel number either on this forum or e-mail me [email protected]
OR Tel Ian on 96-679-0844

A passport number is also valid as a NIE number and the tourist have those.

Hi Tommy, I and other in our local area, agree with everything you say.
our Charity are in contact with many people, and if you can forward a copy of the petition. We will try and get valuable votes. Regards
Charity 4 Charities

Hi Sandra in Quesada. What I am doing will only benefit La Marina, as it is our Town Hall I am trying to get to issue the licence. To hear that you in Quesada, are behind us, is fantastic, and I can only thank you. If you still want to get signatures and NIE numbers, let me have your email address and I will send you the relevant details.
On reflection, I suppose a General Entertainment Licence would benefit every business who applied for it, no matter which town it was.
First things first. Let's see if we can get it in La Marina.

Let´s just say; Quesada is slowly being destroyed like most other areas with silly laws that killing bars, that give people jobs, that allow them to spend money with wages they earn, in local shops, that are closing down because no one has any money. I´d say" It´s a vicious circle". Even visitors feel depressed when their favourite bars from time gone by...have sadly disappeared.

Here´s my email address you asked me for.
[email protected]