Hello Paul & Jan, Thank you for the informative information. Lets hope it puts all those know all's and idiots who think they know someone else's business too sleep now. We look forward to the Hogs Head opening ASAP. Please be before the Urbs fantastic FIESTA Weekend. Regards.

Well done Paul & Jan, I am really happy that you have sorted this out. I would like to think this would put the people that start these rumours off for good, but I doubt that will be the case, Sad people like these will now be waiting for the next victim protected by assumed names. If you are going to write on here have the guts to use your own name.....

Hi Jan & Paul, glad to hear that all is sorted. See you both soon

this shows the damage that can be done by some of the comments on here. I don't believe they only put these comments are here there are plenty whisperers out there. Good luck with the opening Hogs head. Mary Catherine xx

Just wanted to make everyone aware that Alfonso did confirm that Hogs head should be reconnected to electric again. After being told not to allow anyone in, other than his electricians, Alfonzo finally sent in his men Thursday at 4.00pm, and I
allowed Alfonzo to do his work. However it seemed that the cables were not completed in time for Iberdrola to fit a meter,
so Hogs head will have to wait a little longer, because of Iberdrola not waiting and telling Hogs Head to make another appointment. Cannot comment on Chief ONeals, assume they are getting connected, but nothing was said by Alfonso, so I really don't know? A Lock is being fitted to the electric room (lets hope its not broken into again!) so people cannot nose, fiddle or sabotage. I don't know why each restaurant cannot have its electric feed and meter in its own premises? Would have avoided the whole block being shut down.

Please read this post carefully, and please try to understand this is not a personal attack, just quoting facts. Facts are important to make your own decision. Just because you think hog friend and a nice guy, he is in that type of industry, so he HAS to be nice.
So now it has been reported by many, he is getting a meter from IBERDROLA. As I said the letter he has posted, is a FIRST time application for a meter. Never had one for 2 years. So he should have NEVER had electric? But he did. How? He stole it!
wired himself in, and then the fire! Ok he must have paid the fine if Iberdrola let him have a meter now, or is he using his wifes name? whatever, the crime was done!
The landlord had good reason not to reconnect him right after fire. 2 resturants were not reconnected after the fire, hod head was one of them! Guess ONeals are also doing the same? Patagonia are stupid for allowing the electricians in. They are
right next to the electric cupboard, and would have the first to burn then dos amigos would have gone up next! Then the whole block!
Judge for yourselves, the facts are there for all to see!

Does 2 + 2 = 457 in your world? Could Iberdrola not have took the meter out because they didn't think the wiring was up to scratch? and won't put it back until it is. I don't know the layout of the bars, but usually in Spain, the electrics tend to be put in when the property is built.

Firstly we like to thank Alfonso for his team of electricians who did an excellent on repairing our cables 2nd we would like to thank Joe at Patagonia who as instructed by the landlord Alfonso alowing us access lto repair. However Joe did omit part of our conversation of yestarday, I'm sure he will of course back me on this, which was that we had our: meter conected under the previous tennents contract which was Thomas Greens, during this time it seemed fitting to make the necessary changes to name, so everthing is now under my name. If we was doing something illegal, I'm sure Alfonso would not allow us to re-connect, but I am happy to say that after my insurance company sent there investigator team in yesterday & all was above board, iberdrola will be switching us back on at 4pm today, so come and join us for a cold beer from 6pm, hope to see you here.

johnnyenglish0. Have read your piece and tried to understand it,to the best of my limited electrical knowledge.Also read Hogs Head piece and fully understand the name change on contract,(many homes around here have an ex-owners name on a utilizes bill,mainlyv because of the rip off price the utilities company charges for change of name.
So all in all everything is now sorted, except you and the owner of Hogs Head and you shaking hands and agreeing to disagree.
This problem should now be sorted,and should die a death unless someone starts an official investigation.
Needless to say I personally still side with the Hogs Head,Not that I am calling you a liar,more to the fact I do not have your knowledge on the wiring set up.
To the Hogs Head,I hope your opening goes to plan,and you have a successful re-opening,also that the next few months you are really busy and able to catch up on the money you have obviously lost in the past days

Paul & Jan...I will DEFINITELY come over from Guadarmar to have a very cold half beer with you although I do prefer a Vodka & Tonic with a slice of lime...xxx See ya at about 19.30 ish.

yes, Johnny Doughnut more like lol

JonnyEnglish? Typical....Why are you bothered by who does what?? If you were a man you would go into the Hogs Head and confront Paul and Jan instead of hiding behind your screen stating incriminating stories to all and sundry about It's this, It's that, I'm right, everyone is wrong. There are two sides to a story. Fairy tales are another thing. Get a frigging life.....I'm off to the Hogs Head now..Sorry Paul & Jan I'm late....

Jonny englishman0. If you're so sure of your facts use your own name. You are a coward of the worst kind and I can't believe anyone would take you seriously. You're a truly disgusting individual. Who are you. Name yourself Mary Catherine

Hi Marko
Thanks for the info, I thought that Alan was maybe part owner of the Forum or a Moderator, as he seems to respond to EVERY post on here, picking fault and nit picking etc.

LOL Alan can seem to come across rather opinionated.

Hogs head and ONeals both open today, Alfonso was there checking all was good, and padlocked the door!!!!!
What ever they did, or did not do, ITS SORTED! Alfonso would not allow anyone knowingly connect up. Paul got Iberdrola to come out ( I saw them!) so it has to be ok now. Paul did mention that the old owner died and could not change the contract over, but what matters Alfonso said OK. He was there to over see it in person. Chief O Neals is open so they must be OK too.
If they were not legal before I cannot say, but they must be legal now! Good luck to you all. Live and let live!

Mazza and Marko.Where are you do,
Fox160,has written that he thinks I come across as opinionated, So why aren't two,0n here defending your elderly relative.
I feel let down by both of you.
LOL

What is my name? what is your name MAZZA, 2 cute for u, groonypete etc....what does it matter. Does anybody have a real name here. No one using their last name. So how many Andi´s are there in La marina? Try to understand the basic fact, YOU CANNOT HAVE ELECTRIC WITHOUT A METER. Hoghead, made a FIRST TIME application for electric this Monday! How did he get electric for the last 2 years? Don´t ignore the facts, they are there. Ask Ibederola, if you can have electric without a meter. Fire was started by one wreckless individual, by illegally wiring into the system. If the fire would have started an hour earlier, when Patagonia and chiefs were still closed, it would have spread, then the whole block would have been out of luck,
and for weeks! So again, you cannot have electricity without a meter. Iberdrola want to know how you use, so they can charge
you. If you don't have a meter, you should not have electric. Hog head made a FIRST time application, for electric.
the facts are there, but if you choose to ignore them, its up to you. The bulk of people know I am right. That's it from me,
cannot explain it any clearer. Good to see the square was full and people having a good time.

ALAN,
Is there any possibility that FOX160 could be right?

Hi Friendly glad to see you are back.
The answer is yes . I am.But if a person doesn't have opinions, what do they do, except believe everything they see or hear, but giving an opinion, should lead to a debate, which gives me chance to change my opinion, if the debate shows that I am not correct in my original opinion

ALAN!
I have to agree with that.

Johnny English, why not just tell us the definite facts you know and or the rumours that you have heard. Your qualifications in mains electric in Spain would useful as well. Due to the fact I do have some Gypsy blood in me, I do know that you can bypass the meter. However Iberdrola should have picked that up very quickly due to the fact if they are pushing out 15 KW/h and only getting paid for 10 KW/h then their computer systems seem to need updating.
PS my apologies Alan for not defending you, but I'd already replied something similar to FOX160 on another thread and don't want to be accused of bullying.

Marco, was a builder before I retired. As you say its is actually very easy to bypass a meter, which is what happened.
They must have gone before a meter (whos is not known) but like you correctly say cables can take so much load, then you need more to spread the load, otherwise they will melt and catch fire. Hog head has a lot of aircons, and was not afraid to use them if the electric is free. Wonder if hog head will be as cool now he has to pay for it!!! Iberdrola should have picked it up, but
most of the meters are the old type, not hooked to the internet. I was at the hog bar and heard the argument with the owner and an older man, who I think was his father, but not sure that was his dad??? And they were sh ing themselves. The older guy telling him what a fool he was, then they drove off quickly. Heard it myself. cannot provide proof, its my word against theres, but as I have constantly been saying Hog head is applying for FIRST time electric. Its the same in England. Even when you are on "builders" electric, its not free there is still a meter!!! Don't take my word for it look at the facts, and the units there are 5 or 6 year old, and the electrics were good with the 2.5 green ones, so they would never melt in normal circumstances. Because the cables melted after the meter, they don't want to know, which is strange. In England they also would not want to know, but for 100% would have been investigated why the fire started. Its the same with water. If you have a leak after the meter its your problem, and you have to pay for the water "used". This I was told by augalest last year when I had a 400 euro water bill!

Jonnyenglish0.
I used to have the site name Mazza which was fine until this site became a very sad place where people were abused and accused. It was then I used my Christian names This site used to be for helping people, giving them a laugh or putting forward an opinion which users could debate. It's very sad but I really believe this site will close. Most of us don't want to hear the the hateful things you state and I'll say it again, you're a coward hiding behind a site name. Hang your head in shame. If you had any real facts you'd post your name or are you frightened of having a denuncia issued against you? Mary Catherine Smith, wife of the delectable Noel oscar Smith of Oasis . I think I'm playing into your hands replying to you. This is probably what you want, peoples indignant replies

Marko,
The reason for lack of facts & proof is because this idiot doesn't have any, we however have displayed a contract on public view plus we have had no objection from the landlord or Iberdrola to re-establish a connection, the only thing we can be accused of is paying for electricity through a meter in the previous contracts name, in this case Thomas Greens the super market that was before we took over 2 years ago. Whatever this idiots motives are, he only knows, perhaps he's a failed ex bar owner, & our success over the past 2 years reminds him further of his failure, or perhaps he's simply just a failure generally in life god only knows. It's only a matter of time & he's identity will be revealed to us & when we find out we will tell all.

Alan, where did our lovely friendly site go. I ignored the post from that person. I hate having do respond to these people, I'd rather give people a laugh. I think the site is being seriously damaged but by this vitriol but how can one ignore it. I can't even blame old age. I've always had to fight injustice. Let's just thank heaven for the decent people on the site. xxxx

I hope you bar him Hogs Head. How many retired builders have you got in La Marina? (oh point taken).

Mazza,
Its unfortunate but true Mazza, I like you believe this forum has reached the pits,unfortunately that doesn't mean the only way is up,it means throw me a shovel I want to go lower.Until ASL realize no rules means anarchy,things will get worse,but like you I will stay at least a bit longer,to see if the rumour mongers sink this Forum or not.Luckily I use three other Local Forums,which are run on rules and every time I need some good info. Its them that I turn to .Must say that on two of them I have never seen the sort of outrageous rumours,or personal attacks as appear on this forum, purely because they are used as forums of information and debate. and not as a weapon for a hate attack

Johnnyenglish0
I think I understand now why you are so positive that Hogs Head were the cause of the problem last weekend.I did point out earlier that my lack of electrics meant I couldn't understand what you were saying,but your more recent comment seems to make it clearer,and I am sorry to say that you may be so wrong as you did not understand the obvious.The meter may of been damaged along with the wiring,Pauls reason was a a sudden power surge (quite possible) the contract for electricity,would of been a first application as Paul as already said he never signed it over to his name when he took over the premises (when I moved here I also signed a first application,when I move,the person buying my property will either leave it in my name or sign a First application as it will be their first application (very likely) we all have a total power usage and we are charged accordingly mine is on my trip board it is put on by Iberdrola and sealed, I believe older properties have something like a 3.3 Kw fuse later houses have a 5.75 fuse this means that if you use more than that total at any one time your box will trip, and will continue to trip until you turn something off, the smaller amount the fuse the less electricity charge. Over these totals are for business users and are higher Kws. It is not un.known for the seal on Iberdrolas fuse to be broken and a higher fuse inserted.(this one is the only possibility ,where I can think you may be right)but seeing as it appears you may be wrong on everything else I gather you will be wrong on the last one to. unless you need to reply to this I can understand as you have taken some stick on here, Although so have the Hogs Head,but it didn't hit you financially.I would like to see this whole episode put to bed,if only for someone to start going on about Bars,Charities and who is having it away with someone they shouldn't be,and of course Jeff (This last sentence is meant as a joke)

I'm not trying to stir up trouble or point the finger at anyone but am just trying to get my head around this situation. When I applied for my opening licence at Cagney's it would not have been issued to me without my electrics being upgraded and the correct certificate being issued in my name. We had to have our kitchen completely rewired, all new emergency lighting, new fluorescent strips and our electrics board upgraded. All of this at a cost of 550 euros. We were then issued with a folder of information of the works done & the electrical certificate in my name. This was then taken to the town hall for my opening licence to been granted. I could not hold the previous owners of Cagney's responsible, despite the fact that they didn't have an opening licence or an electrics certificate. As the new owner of the bar I was totally responsible for making the bar legal. Again this is no dig at Paul and Jan but we know the previous owner of Thomas Green's, who is a regular in our bar. He lives in La Marina but works abroad neither as a bar owner, supermarket owner nor a builder. He has no grievance against the bar as it is a completely different type of business and I can definitely vouch that he is not 'dead'!!!!
Have all the bars in Consum square been misled? I seem to remember a similar problem with Tia Maria not having their own elecrical supply last year too. What I don't understand is, is there is one rule for one and one for another in La Marina?
Confused.com. I certainly am!
Kate

Cagneys,
Best not to stir up trouble then. May I suggest you should remember, if you fling it, prepare to start receiving it back.

Not stirring up trouble, Marko , just asking, and definitely not flinging, a perfectly reasonable question. Just wondering if anyone had a logical answers.

Iberdrola and Guardia Civil 'IF' its true.

Kate,
When we first opened the iberdrola contract was in the name of Chris Price who moved to Australia & I think either died or had a stroke recently, anyway it was just simple for us to continue under the same name back then, we've changed it to ours now. Like you when we first built hogs head we needed to re-wire & move the RCD box which used to be at the front, now its behind our bar, this was done by iberdrola engineers when we built 2 years ago

Hi Paul and Jan
No, I understand what you are saying, but I just wanted to know how they issued your opening licence, using someone else's name, even though you had had all the electrical work done. You see, for us, all our existing licences were in the name of Gwen and Trevor, under the name of Dino's Bar. Since they left the bar there had been quite a few different owners, including a name change to Cagney and Lacey (which has never been registered). But in order for us to be granted the opening licence Gwen and Trevor had to be found to sign it over to us. It took about 2 weeks and it may be of interest, to those that knew them, they were found to be still living in Spain. Gwen signed the bar over to me, hence us being able to receive the opening licence. So I now understand how difficult it must be to get someone to sign who has either moved to Australia or possibly since passed on. Difficult situation. What do you do?
We sympathise with all the gossip that has been going on over the last couple of weeks. As I say to Ricky we are constantly trying to defend and justify ourselves, as I'm sure you feel the same way too. Keep your chins up guys. It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it!!!!

Paul and Jan, as was stated on Friday, is the Hog's Head now open for business ?

Hi Don,
Yes we re-opened last Friday at 6pm

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